Who owns github.com/haskell?

[jaspervdj]

Earlier discussions:

haskell-org/committee#10

haskell/core-libraries-committee#43

A good first step would be to document the repositories that are currently under this organization, who the owners are for those, and perhaps which repositories should be considered deprecated.

[hasufell]

A good first step would be to document the repositories that are currently under this organization,

https://github.com/orgs/haskell/repositories

who the owners are for those

https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/managing-your-repositorys-settings-and-features/customizing-your-repository/about-code-owners

[TomMD]

Has this conversation progressed in another forum? I was linked here from discourse when hoping to better understand the github.com/haskell organization.

Surely the owners of the group could declare by fiat what the ownership structure is, or work with HF and other groups if there's a desire to be part of something larger.

[ocramz]

I'd also be interested in moving this discussion forward.

E.g. I've recently been doing a bit of code renovation on Typing Haskell in Haskell (https://discourse.haskell.org/t/reviving-typing-haskell-in-haskell/5072, https://github.com/ocramz/thih ), which IMO is a landmark resource for understanding GHC type inference up to ~2000. I'm mentioning this here because I'd find it fitting for that code to exist as a public Haskell resource (e.g. here) rather than tied to any private account.

I'm currently discussing the idea in an email thread with the original author, Prof Mark P Jones. If he and everyone else is ok with this, I'd be happy to transfer the up-to date repo here.

[Bodigrim]

(Rephrasing my old comments left elsewhere back in February)

I suggest github.org/haskell to be owned by CLC, as a body which was historically most involved with it and has a clear interest in upkeeping it. Governance changes will require buy in from Hackage admins, embodied in @gbaz, who retain ownership for technical purposes and moderation. This is similar to the management of PVP, for example.

To be very clear: this is not because I want more power for CLC (we have plenty on our plate, to be honest), but because I don’t want to see a new dysfunctional group or committee (because we have more than plenty of them). Even the current situation, when at least some, very conservative decisions can be made, is better than a situation, where nothing can be decided at all.

Let me ask it straight: if you are opposed to the suggestion above, what is your specific vision and what kind of effort you are willing to put into its implementation?

[ulysses4ever]

I like how the haskell.org committee has been operating lately, and I’d welcome them taking over the GitHub organization. CLC is an option too.

[hasufell]

Could the current admins vote on a way forward? There were not many proposed. Afais:

1. keep status quo
2. make haskell.org committee explicit owner
3. make CLC committee explicit owner
4. form a new committee to govern it and keep status quo until then (no one volunteered for this)

[Bodigrim]

I vote for 3 (first preference) and 2 (second preference). I don't see Haskell.org committee to have much stake in github.com/haskell (after all their remit is unsurprisingly limited to haskell.org), but if they are willing to take this burden, I have no objections at all.

[hasufell]

Any movements?

[michaelpj]

Alternative option: the HF owns it (unclear if they have bandwidth either). I had mistakenly assumed they did own it in the past!

EDIT: I now disagree with this, see below

[tomjaguarpaw]

This question has arisen on Discourse: https://discourse.haskell.org/t/how-is-github-com-haskell-affiliated/9367/2

[tomjaguarpaw]

When one creates an "Organization" on GitHub one has to specify a "business or institution" that it belongs do. Do we know what business or institution was chosen for this organization? Was it perhaps "Haskell.org" or "the Haskell community"? Is there some way we can discover this information in the settings? (I'm not an "Owner" so I don't have access to the settings.)

cc @mpilgrem

[Bodigrim]

@tomjaguarpaw it says just "Haskell".

If your question is whether the organization ever belonged to Haskell.Org committee or was meant to belong to it, the answer is - up to my best knowledge - no. The organisation was originally created by @hvr, who later passed superadmin rights to @chessai, who was a CLC chair at that time. That's why my suggestions above.

[mpilgrem]

@Bodigrim, if it is not private information, may I ask who currently is assigned 'Admin' 'Owner' role for the GitHub Haskell organisation? For example, is it members of the CLC from time to time who are assigned that role?

[chessai]

@tomjaguarpaw it says just "Haskell".

If your question is whether the organization ever belonged to Haskell.Org committee or was meant to belong to it, the answer is - up to my best knowledge - no. The organisation was originally created by @hvr, who later passed superadmin rights to @chessai, who was a CLC chair at that time. That's why my suggestions above.

Current users marked "owner" for the Haskell GitHub organisation are:

@andreasabel
@Bodigrim
@chessai
@davean
@david-christiansen
@emilypi
@gbaz
@hasufell
@Kleidukos
@simonmar

This is significantly cut down from a few years ago, because there were a lot of people who were very inactive who had been added for no reason. Most of the people on this list are involved in coordination of multiple significant Haskell projects.

I am no longer a part of the CLC, nor any committee, so I will remove my own admin privileges, as I don't need them/shouldn't have them. I'll do that right after hitting "Comment" on this message. Maybe there are some people in the owners list who aren't active enough in any project to need the permissions as well. I do think it makes sense from a security perspective to evaluate why every person on this last has that role. From my own eyeballing, I can come up with reasons for everyone on the list but me, but I'm not sure if I'm entirely accurate for my evaluation of others.

I think CLC/GHC steering/Haskell.org or some subset thereof makes sense, plus people who manage multiple big projects, plus people who manage critical infrastructure.

[chessai]

The Core Libraries Committee team is outdated: https://github.com/orgs/haskell/teams/core-libraries-committee