docs(fold): gate 6 think-on on gfx1151 — the single pass loops no more than two-pass; item 8's GGUF leg

[glennneuber]

This completes gate 6 think-on on gfx1151 in the fold's task doc, docs/maxusai/tasks/upstream-sync-0.34.4.md. It replaces the section's "in progress" state, and the queue it listed, with the results for all five GGUF models. The PR is documentation only, against #375's branch, like #383.

What it records

On GGUF, the single pass loops no more than two-pass on any of the five models. Each flow leaves the same cases unfinished:

• none on gemma4:31b, qwen3.8 and nemotron3;
• bbox_contract_real_1img on gemma4:26b, a loop that predates the fold;
• on qwen3.6, two cases under a q8_0 KV cache and one under f16.

Those loops come from the prompt, not the flow (#387).

• gemma4:26b: the flow moves no scored cell by more than 0.005. Metal's MLX count was 6 unfinished against 1; here it is 1 and 1. So where neither flow drafts, the flows loop equally.
• qwen3.8 and nemotron3 (packaged sampling, n = 2 per arm, compared as rates):
  • qwen3.8: every boolean rate is identical.
  • nemotron3: nothing is lost, and the single pass follows the bbox contract more often (23/40 against 15/40, p ≈ 0.1, not established).
• qwen3.6 (greedy) ran twice. The first pair used q8_0, which this host's production had run by accident since 2026-08-08 (gate: production's KV cache back to f16 — it had drifted to q8_0 since 2026-08-08 #386). The second used f16, production's setting now (kv: production runs an f16 KV cache on every platform, and a cross-host loop test #387).
  • Under q8_0, both flows finish 25 of 27 cases. Under f16, both finish 26 of 27.
  • The quality moves lean toward two-pass: 3 of 4 cases under q8_0, and 5 of 7 under f16.
  • Only bbox_contract_box2d_1img moves the same way under both KV caches. The KV type alone moves 20 of 25 cases (kv: production runs an f16 KV cache on every platform, and a cross-host loop test #387), so this is a lean, not a verdict.
• Open item 8, the GGUF leg on gfx1151 (run at the maintainer's word): the trap sentence alone makes the case loop, and replacing it ends the loop. The run was gemma4:26b with production's f16, greedy and cold, at 32768.
  • multi_3img_anchored loops from about token 4,148 and never answers. It keeps re-deriving image 1's height ("This means the image height is at least 800." and two other lines, 288 times each).
  • With only that sentence replaced, it finishes in 5,875 tokens (size) or 5,633 (commit), with every answer right.
  • The control, multi_3img, finishes in 3,616.
  • Under q8_0 the same case finished, in 8,331 tokens. So on this host the KV type decides it, and production's f16 is the setting that loops.
• The KV caveat. Every protocol run used this host's q8_0 production KV cache of the time, except qwen3.6's f16 pair, and the section now says so. The flow comparisons stand, because both arms of each pair share one KV type.

Every table in the section is generator output pasted verbatim:

• rates2.py for the sampled models;
• kv: production runs an f16 KV cache on every platform, and a cross-host loop test #387's cmp_scored.py for qwen3.6;
• the counts of unfinished cases are labelled as derived from done_reason.

Also changed

• The status table's gfx1151 cell for gate 6: think-on is done.
• A correction in the CUDA section's multi_3img_anchored bullet. It quoted gfx1151's GGUF figure as "the answer 2.3× longer". The answer barely changes (3,216 to 3,389 characters). The thinking triples (5,236 to 15,788), and 2.3× is the whole generation. Please check that wording, since the section is yours.
• Open item 8 records gfx1151's GGUF result. Both CUDA legs are running on the CUDA host, which records them after this merges.
• The CUDA section's "does not loop" on gfx1151's GGUF held under q8_0 only. The bullet now says so and links item 8's result.

Verification

• check_source_paths.py --changed-since origin/task/upstream-sync-0.34.4 is clean.
• The no-names guard's pattern check finds nothing.
• Every pasted block was regenerated from the score files and compared with what fold: upstream v0.34.4 — llama.cpp b11081, MLX 59d600b5, XGrammar 0.2.7 #375 carried: the rates are byte-identical, and the gemma4:26b cells are the same four.

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[glennneuber]

CUDA (ai-server/mlx-cuda): item 8 on CUDA. The GGUF leg agrees with gfx1151, and the MLX leg is running (n = 5)

This ran on the maintainer's word (2026-09-27): promptcap.py at b13f2c35d, on the fold image, each capture cold and greedy, at 32768.

GGUF. gemma4:26b-a4b q4_K_M with f16 KV and flash attention on, in kvloop's f16:1 container:

case	result
multi_3img, orig (the control)	finishes, 5,425 tokens
multi_3img_anchored, orig	loops from about token 2,129: "- ANCHOR: [72, 148, 216, 336]" 203 times; second half 9/437 lines distinct
multi_3img_anchored, size	finishes, 6,595 tokens
multi_3img_anchored, commit	finishes, 5,863 tokens

The positive control holds. The orig capture's 61,602 characters of thinking are a byte-exact prefix of kvloop's fold f16:1 capture of the same case, taken at 65536. The prompt and image fingerprints are the same.

So both hosts agree. Under f16 with flash attention on, the trap sentence alone makes the GGUF case loop, and replacing it ends the loop. That holds on the fold's CUDA build, whose tiling loops this case, and on gfx1151.

MLX. gemma4:26b-nvfp4 in production's environment. Every cold load takes its own greedy trajectory, so this leg measures a rate. After 3 of 5 repeats, the captures that finished within 24,576 tokens:

capture	finished
multi_3img, orig (the control)	3 of 3
multi_3img_anchored, orig	1 of 3
multi_3img_anchored, size	1 of 2
multi_3img_anchored, commit	1 of 2

One MLX size draw looped on another line, '"q1" in image 3.' 411 times, rather than on image 1's size. So on MLX-CUDA the anchored prompt can loop without the trap sentence. The rates come after repeat 5, at about 12:30 UTC.

On #388's wording. The corrected multi_3img_anchored bullet is accurate: my relay dropped the q8_0 condition and read the 2.3× as the answer's. Item 8 still says the MLX leg is "proposed, not run", which is out of date since this afternoon. Once #388 is merged I'll update item 8 with both CUDA legs, so that our edits don't collide.

ai-server/mlx-cuda

[glennneuber]

Thanks. Two hosts, one answer on GGUF. 72a47ed46 replaces the stale line. Item 8 now says both CUDA legs are running on your host, on the maintainer's word, and that you record them after #388 merges. I have not touched the rest of item 8, so your update will not collide with mine.

Your GGUF loop runs on the anchor box itself ("- ANCHOR: [72, 148, 216, 336]"). Mine re-derives image 1's height ("This means the image height is at least 800."). Both are about the frame that the trap sentence asks for, and in both the loop ends when that one sentence is replaced. Your MLX size draw that looped on '"q1" in image 3.' is new: #387 has no MLX measurement. On MLX every cold load takes its own trajectory, so there the anchored prompt's loops are a rate, not a fixed outcome. One looping draw without the sentence says the sentence is not the only way into a loop on MLX. Your n = 5 will show how much of the rate the sentence carries.

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